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The virtues of pain at the pumps Friday, August 29, 2008
The Globe And Mail -- Both the Liberal and Conservative plans to cut greenhouse-gas emissions will raise gasoline prices, experts warned the House of Commons industry committee this week. That's a good thing. Though it may be shocking to say so, Canada's gas is very arguably too cheap. In any case, keeping it that way would require subsidies such as were doled out from 1973 to 1984, in the self-defeating policy of made-in-Canada oil prices. A quick glance across the Atlantic reveals how lucky Canadian motorists still are. In Britain, France, Germany and Italy, average prices are about double Canada's, largely due to steep taxes.
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	Friday, August 29, 2008 The Globe And Mail -- Both the Liberal and Conservative plans to cut greenhouse-gas emissions will raise gasoline prices, experts warned the House of Commons industry committee this week. That's a good thing. Though it may be shocking to say so, Canada's gas is very arguably too cheap. In any case, keeping it that way would require subsidies such as were doled out from 1973 to 1984, in the self-defeating policy of made-in-Canada oil prices. A quick glance across the Atlantic reveals how lucky Canadian motorists still are. In Britain, France, Germany and Italy, average prices are about double Canada's, largely due to steep taxes. Visit The Globe And Mail for full article

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gas101CA All-Star Author California Posts:632 Points:74,855 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: 9/2/2008 11:52:23 PM	Ignore gas101CA Report Abuse
	yeah good article
magnumCA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,339 Points:260,950 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 9/2/2008 8:28:26 PM	Ignore magnumCA Report Abuse
	Excellent article
OHMS Champion Author Orange County Posts:2,561 Points:265,245 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: 8/31/2008 11:32:43 AM	Ignore OHMS Report Abuse
	no pain, no virtue
magnumCA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,339 Points:260,950 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 8/31/2008 11:21:22 AM	Ignore magnumCA Report Abuse
	There are no virtues
mfeldstein All-Star Author Ontario Posts:553 Points:429,135 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 8:46:19 PM	Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse
	Well ... maybe I should, but I'm finding it hard to feel lucky these days.
kbierley Champion Author Dayton Posts:3,293 Points:464,430 Joined:Nov 2003	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 1:16:42 PM	Ignore kbierley Report Abuse
	Drill for American Oil, NOW!
JoeKR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,897 Points:563,515 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 12:42:54 PM	Ignore JoeKR Report Abuse
	We can drill now and postpone the inevitable, but that won't prevent our gas prices from going up. We can continue to conserve and crusade for alternative fuels. Or, we can prepare for life in the United States of OPEC.
billy44bo Champion Author Mobile Posts:1,410 Points:252,935 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 11:45:15 AM	Ignore billy44bo Report Abuse
	Nobama will make those steep taxes look like a trip to the movies if he gets in. DRILL here and keep our money here
letmathe Champion Author Chicago Posts:6,973 Points:1,701,280 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 11:14:07 AM	Ignore letmathe Report Abuse
	or out of the Marquise's treatise (LOL)
baddog58 Sophomore Author Texas Posts:208 Points:106,005 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 11:01:23 AM	Ignore baddog58 Report Abuse
	"The Virtues of Pain at the Pumps" sounds like something straight out of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" autobiography.
woos777 Champion Author Washington Posts:1,623 Points:671,130 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:50:57 AM	Ignore woos777 Report Abuse
	Get out the old whipping post. Is that 1 P or 2 P's?
pricechecker08 Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,110 Points:235,245 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:42:55 AM	Ignore pricechecker08 Report Abuse
	GETTING IMUNE TO THE PAIN
dreamweaver7050 All-Star Author Louisiana Posts:670 Points:478,415 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:40:06 AM	Ignore dreamweaver7050 Report Abuse
	Canada again
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,632 Points:500,920 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:38:46 AM	Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse
	gas is too cheap? must be nice to be rich and not have to worry about being to gas up your car just to get to work while tying to feed the family with food prices up as well and so many people only making minimum wage or out of work all together.
HawaiianGuy Champion Author Idaho Posts:1,374 Points:1,475,615 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:36:33 AM	Ignore HawaiianGuy Report Abuse
	Pain is a virtue? What is this, the Middle Ages?
GasholeMI Champion Author Lansing Posts:1,490 Points:114,515 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:36:20 AM	Ignore GasholeMI Report Abuse
	Pain is a virtue?
weenerdog Champion Author Detroit Posts:1,647 Points:301,335 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:36:03 AM	Ignore weenerdog Report Abuse
	Interesting spin. Let's all do something painful for the environment.
patbob56 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:1,746 Points:360,675 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:34:38 AM	Ignore patbob56 Report Abuse
	what an idiot
ironbox_sara Champion Author Albany Posts:1,623 Points:698,330 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:34:21 AM	Ignore ironbox_sara Report Abuse
	Too cheap? Say what???
Cuzilla Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,967 Points:1,001,245 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:29:50 AM	Ignore Cuzilla Report Abuse
	Only bureaucrats and media toadies can find virtue in others pain!
duriarte All-Star Author Utah Posts:739 Points:155,015 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:28:34 AM	Ignore duriarte Report Abuse
	Somebody should straighten this guy out.
rbrowdersr All-Star Author Detroit Posts:955 Points:467,975 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:25:40 AM	Ignore rbrowdersr Report Abuse
	Can't imagine any virtures here.
qwikss Sophomore Author Phoenix Posts:211 Points:77,070 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:25:06 AM	Ignore qwikss Report Abuse
	Old story
kevski Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,397 Points:198,115 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:14:38 AM	Ignore kevski Report Abuse
	raising gas prices is a good thing?????
laddyboy62 Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,581 Points:994,335 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:12:21 AM	Ignore laddyboy62 Report Abuse
	gotta love it
redrunnerWA Rookie Author Spokane Posts:48 Points:64,275 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:10:59 AM	Ignore redrunnerWA Report Abuse
	Obviously written by someone who lives in an urban area and figures that we all want to join them. People in rural areas may choose to be there due to lifestyle, family connections or other reasons. The feasibility of mass transit to these areas is limited and has diminished in recent times -- remember Greyhound's reduction in the recent past? I agree with an earlier comment -- comparing Canada to Europe makes no sense. The geographic scope and time of 'habitation' are totally different and contributes to differences in city/rural and mass transit development.
RdHogg Champion Author Houston Posts:11,230 Points:1,368,455 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:09:01 AM	Ignore RdHogg Report Abuse
	OK?
Wolfwings All-Star Author Delaware Posts:843 Points:251,365 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:05:55 AM	Ignore Wolfwings Report Abuse
	OK, I'll give up my sub-compact, and get a BICYCLE!
evasilion All-Star Author Virginia Beach Posts:701 Points:132,320 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:05:27 AM	Ignore evasilion Report Abuse
	OK
Terrapinone All-Star Author Baltimore Posts:676 Points:549,730 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:04:00 AM	Ignore Terrapinone Report Abuse
	lucky is a relative term [Edited by: Terrapinone at 8/30/2008 11:04:27 AM EST]
HEBster All-Star Author Kentucky Posts:826 Points:771,855 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:01:55 AM	Ignore HEBster Report Abuse
	Whatever----
Prodaddy Champion Author Houston Posts:1,463 Points:445,095 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:00:45 AM	Ignore Prodaddy Report Abuse
	its bad all over
archerdave Champion Author Detroit Posts:3,009 Points:95,420 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 10:00:07 AM	Ignore archerdave Report Abuse
	Pain is not virtuous, it is, simply, pain.
Parif All-Star Author Virginia Posts:836 Points:150,750 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:58:08 AM	Ignore Parif Report Abuse
	this is bad all over
Razzincain All-Star Author Kansas Posts:741 Points:526,160 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:57:02 AM	Ignore Razzincain Report Abuse
	Anything that involves politics, money, and government leaves me wondering what the real story is.
DTape Rookie Author Houston Posts:91 Points:488,500 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:56:39 AM	Ignore DTape Report Abuse
	Old news and you whiners need to eat some cheese with your wines... We see the Canadian news because it does have some impact on our lives, as well as the fact that GasBuddy is used in Canada as much as it is in the U.S.A.
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,525 Points:1,013,770 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:56:05 AM	Ignore Don20 Report Abuse
	This will all be fixed after Nov Election. You believe that I have some beach front property for sale.
chas_commuter All-Star Author South Carolina Posts:575 Points:128,990 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:55:24 AM	Ignore chas_commuter Report Abuse
	Don't people realize that the "carbon offset" movement is a get rich scheme orchestrated by Al Gore?
jackson661 Veteran Author Columbus Posts:445 Points:48,080 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:54:47 AM	Ignore jackson661 Report Abuse
	It will go up after lifestyle changes lower demand.
WestsideGuyIN All-Star Author Indiana Posts:779 Points:154,140 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:53:53 AM	Ignore WestsideGuyIN Report Abuse
	Why does this author compare Canada to Europe. Why not the US? If you want to compare across countries, you need to adjust for currency fluctuation and services provided. Much of those steep taxes go to pay for things that we have to buy here. If you really want to do a comparison, you have to add in all the costs so that you can actually compare apples to apples.
C4U All-Star Author Salt Lake City Posts:965 Points:171,455 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:53:17 AM	Ignore C4U Report Abuse
	Cutting back green house emissions is a good thing but not at the expense of the consumer to get richer, the additional costs should go to pay down taxes.
ardmoretoday All-Star Author Oklahoma Posts:874 Points:458,615 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:49:11 AM	Ignore ardmoretoday Report Abuse
	Old news
Lengas Champion Author Gary Posts:4,644 Points:1,111,445 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:46:46 AM	Ignore Lengas Report Abuse
	SOP
EXTREMESNOW Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,191 Points:310,585 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:45:22 AM	Ignore EXTREMESNOW Report Abuse
	I'M SURE IT WILL ALL GO BACK UP EVENTUALY.
bbreff Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,070 Points:1,025,265 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:45:12 AM	Ignore bbreff Report Abuse
	How True It Is
rjb21760 All-Star Author Chicago Posts:973 Points:442,235 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:41:28 AM	Ignore rjb21760 Report Abuse
	yep
cantonbill All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:532 Points:130,525 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:39:01 AM	Ignore cantonbill Report Abuse
	Yesterday's news
TTPDX Sophomore Author Portland Posts:231 Points:41,145 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:37:16 AM	Ignore TTPDX Report Abuse
	No pain no gain? Oh wait, it's our pain, their gain...
GasaHawg Veteran Author Texas Posts:477 Points:95,555 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:35:24 AM	Ignore GasaHawg Report Abuse
	Getting screwed on gasoline is luck? Oh' not getting screwed as bad is lucky. GIMME A BREAK!!!!!
mwhals Champion Author Charleston Posts:4,838 Points:820,865 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: 8/30/2008 9:34:17 AM	Ignore mwhals Report Abuse
	Canada's gas is too cheap? What is this guy smoking?