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China poised to lead U.S. in clean energy

New York Times -- Over the past decade, whenever I went to China and engaged Chinese on their pollution and energy problems, inevitably some young Chinese would say: “Hey, you Americans got to grow dirty for 150 years, using cheap coal and oil. Now it is our turn.”
It’s a hard argument to refute. Eventually, I decided that the only way to respond was with some variation of the following: “You’re right. It’s your turn. Grow as dirty as you want. Take your time. Because I think America just needs five years to invent all the clean-power technologies you Chinese are going to need as you choke to death on pollution. Then we’re going to come over here and sell them all to you, and we are going to clean your clock — how do you say ‘clean your clock’ in Chinese? — in the next great global industry: clean power t

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:10,156 Points:592,775 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 7, 2009 5:02:41 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse don't believe everything coming out of China...
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,486 Points:632,865 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 9:27:13 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse GOOD ONE!! GaryG7 IN New Jersey
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:10,156 Points:592,775 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 9:11:52 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse time will tell.
72_Monte Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,622 Points:985,455 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:34:26 PM Ignore 72_Monte Report Abuse Ouch, GaryG7!
VREP Champion Author Vermont Posts:2,741 Points:567,945 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:26:56 PM Ignore VREP Report Abuse Time will tell.
GaryG7 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:8,700 Points:1,697,050 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:26:49 PM Ignore GaryG7 Report Abuse The problem with Chinese clean energy is that an hour after you use it, you need to use it again.
eddmac Champion Author Washington Posts:4,325 Points:957,855 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:23:45 PM Ignore eddmac Report Abuse Yeah, the world has many armpits, and rear ends. For some reason I liked this article. But I may need more time, time to think. [Edited by: eddmac at 7/6/2009 12:24:25 AM EST]
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:3,693 Points:966,045 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:21:00 PM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse We will see.
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:2,807 Points:733,785 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:20:41 PM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse This is something I have to see.
72_Monte Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,622 Points:985,455 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:20:29 PM Ignore 72_Monte Report Abuse It would be a surprise, indeed. They don't have a very solid record in being "clean", much less caring about it. It has yet to be proven that the huge Three Gorges Dam project will not come back to haunt them in various ways - the fact that the dam sits on a seismic fault, for one. They run to 'solutions' when they need to think first.
skybiker Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,182 Points:627,685 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:17:26 PM Ignore skybiker Report Abuse China is a big polluter..Lets see if they can change...............
TommyTraveler Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,494 Points:683,405 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:15:57 PM Ignore TommyTraveler Report Abuse Why do you think China exploded on the world scene in economics? The Gnomes of finance invested there because of the lack of enviromental controls and cheap labor. I have been to China 5 different times and they have very beautiful cities there but they also have a number of arm pits.
CobraLeader Champion Author New Jersey Posts:235,160 Points:1,097,075 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:13:57 PM Ignore CobraLeader Report Abuse Why not?
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,142 Points:869,830 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:10:28 PM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse This would be a surprise. Could it be that they only want to sell it to the world and not use it themselves?
philthethrill Champion Author Hamilton Posts:3,028 Points:604,115 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:08:24 PM Ignore philthethrill Report Abuse can't really be suprised - Bagtag
Bagtag All-Star Author Georgia Posts:908 Points:932,965 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:06:42 PM Ignore Bagtag Report Abuse China is poised to lead the world in just about everything. Did you know that on their government controlled media that they preach to their people that China is the new world power?
traindude Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:3,126 Points:745,435 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:03:50 PM Ignore traindude Report Abuse i guess you can call that healthy competition
Pstreicher All-Star Author Tampa Posts:812 Points:289,440 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:00:22 PM Ignore Pstreicher Report Abuse I like this story.
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:3,481 Points:387,975 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:59:31 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse Clean, green, good Dirty, toxic, BAD
waynemustang Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,052 Points:807,705 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:58:23 PM Ignore waynemustang Report Abuse China, the dirtiest country in the world???
FastAndy Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:4,203 Points:1,080,560 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:57:52 PM Ignore FastAndy Report Abuse Sure they are.
jay4 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:5,712 Points:1,310,975 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:55:37 PM Ignore jay4 Report Abuse At their current rate of a new coal-fired electric plant a week this change should take some time.
RayJayT Champion Author Mississippi Posts:2,670 Points:580,505 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:55:11 PM Ignore RayJayT Report Abuse Good for them
civicdutie Champion Author Rochester Posts:2,510 Points:507,750 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:48:49 PM Ignore civicdutie Report Abuse It is good to see someone else make the first mistake and learn from it after.
bigmaninarig Champion Author St. Louis Posts:3,071 Points:538,520 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:47:46 PM Ignore bigmaninarig Report Abuse Well I do believe that China was dirty during those same last 150 years!
niceguytx Champion Author Houston Posts:8,771 Points:1,709,635 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:46:23 PM Ignore niceguytx Report Abuse They are a slow follow, and they know how to reap the profits of our actions, just like in Iraq.
egd Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,877 Points:1,298,035 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:45:59 PM Ignore egd Report Abuse China and India should want to use cleaner energy and we could sell it to them if we were smart
Wizrd03 Champion Author Illinois Posts:3,028 Points:622,905 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:44:31 PM Ignore Wizrd03 Report Abuse China won't do anything to increse their costs and lower their profits. They've learned well from the US
GypsyBC Veteran Author Alberta Posts:346 Points:120,915 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:44:28 PM Ignore GypsyBC Report Abuse Yes, we hope for clean energy, wherever it comes from is okay with me.
john382 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,361 Points:1,475,325 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:39:02 PM Ignore john382 Report Abuse Consider the source here. This is a fell good article Wake up, take a look at what this cap and trad (HR2454)is all about. Call your senator tell them to vote no it's not to late. The senate will be voting on the soon. You are not alone, become a 9-12er.
250FORD Champion Author Minnesota Posts:7,489 Points:1,198,560 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:35:37 PM Ignore 250FORD Report Abuse Who ever comes up with "clean" energy will rule the world.
Romey08 Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,744 Points:532,495 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:34:14 PM Ignore Romey08 Report Abuse Good for the Chinese
ED6 Champion Author Riverside Posts:4,963 Points:965,010 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:32:51 PM Ignore ED6 Report Abuse Remains to be seen.
Jarod13 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,741 Points:606,095 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:32:27 PM Ignore Jarod13 Report Abuse CumminsFanOH -- right on! The Chinese won't discover clean energy, they'll just wait until the American's create the technologies and have their industrial spies steal it -- they've been doing that for decades, for both our industrial and military secrets. Why change now?
Tarzan05 Rookie Author Los Angeles Posts:24 Points:21,340 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:29:13 PM Ignore Tarzan05 Report Abuse will see what happends.
zeddieiv Champion Author Columbia Posts:3,451 Points:1,031,755 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:20:05 PM Ignore zeddieiv Report Abuse Yet another area where the chi-coms lead us
rjb21760 Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,097 Points:669,210 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:15:40 PM Ignore rjb21760 Report Abuse good for them
GPRS08 Veteran Author Maryland Posts:270 Points:482,830 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:13:05 PM Ignore GPRS08 Report Abuse Clean technologies is the next boom!
CumminsFanOH All-Star Author Columbus Posts:917 Points:448,725 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:12:16 PM Ignore CumminsFanOH Report Abuse Don't bet on it. We will pioneer the technologies and they will just copy them.
blazerbob91 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:2,524 Points:930,550 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:06:45 PM Ignore blazerbob91 Report Abuse Choke on your pollution. Don't start clean.
heysailor Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:4,465 Points:1,318,495 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:06:40 PM Ignore heysailor Report Abuse China takes a long view whereas the whiz kids running Wall Street want a 40% return on equity by next Wednesday.
NavyStore Champion Author Seattle Posts:2,526 Points:1,148,785 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:02:27 PM Ignore NavyStore Report Abuse I disagree bguz. I say we should have a minimum global standard for every country, like the 'cap & trade' system but with every nation involved. America can & should lead the way to a clean future, not the Chinese.
bosrs All-Star Author Seattle Posts:863 Points:379,985 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:02:03 PM Ignore bosrs Report Abuse i don't get it...
Muke Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:2,773 Points:703,810 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:00:25 PM Ignore Muke Report Abuse China is also using solar and other green energy. They are now operating giant solar plant. So they are inovative in the green energy. India using CNG for buses and Rickshaw. India is now having Six new Hydro powers plants, getting oil from elgy grown in most remote area and other sources. So it is egoestic to say we are going to clean their clock. China is cleaning our clock by supporting the trillons of dollar debt. And the way congress and Obama administration spending money it will be 6 to 8 trillion dollars. So china will own USA in few years, then tell me Who is cleaning the clock"?
bguz Rookie Author Atlanta Posts:81 Points:49,765 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:55:05 PM Ignore bguz Report Abuse it would be good if they passed us in eviro goodness
mike911 Champion Author Detroit Posts:3,734 Points:1,176,515 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:52:06 PM Ignore mike911 Report Abuse But who will buy it?
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,800 Points:425,520 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:51:37 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse PissedCanuck and TheSnowstorm... Agree! China has leverage over their citizens to clean-up the US doesn't have. There is little discussion or big-time opposition. They are already spending more than $300B. It is also obvious that China is way ahead of the US in the Green industries. We need to be building, on a large scale, wind turbines, solar cells, and state-of-the-art batteries for EV's. Whether posters agree on environmental issues...not too many disagree on our need to jump-start industry....and that will take investment capital as well as entrepreneurs and excellent engineers. [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 7/5/2009 10:52:23 PM EST]
jeromehasbargen Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,841 Points:366,605 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:50:28 PM Ignore jeromehasbargen Report Abuse It is the next race in the industry. Clean power technology. May the better country win.
tidbitKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,945 Points:386,920 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:48:16 PM Ignore tidbitKY Report Abuse Don't believe a word of this article.
tom11743 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,740 Points:420,270 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:47:36 PM Ignore tom11743 Report Abuse The air in the major cities in China is filthy with pollution.