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China poised to lead U.S. in clean energy

New York Times -- Over the past decade, whenever I went to China and engaged Chinese on their pollution and energy problems, inevitably some young Chinese would say: “Hey, you Americans got to grow dirty for 150 years, using cheap coal and oil. Now it is our turn.”
It’s a hard argument to refute. Eventually, I decided that the only way to respond was with some variation of the following: “You’re right. It’s your turn. Grow as dirty as you want. Take your time. Because I think America just needs five years to invent all the clean-power technologies you Chinese are going to need as you choke to death on pollution. Then we’re going to come over here and sell them all to you, and we are going to clean your clock — how do you say ‘clean your clock’ in Chinese? — in the next great global industry: clean power t

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tidbitKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:2,090 Points:414,420 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:48:16 PM Ignore tidbitKY Report Abuse Don't believe a word of this article.
tom11743 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,740 Points:421,170 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:47:36 PM Ignore tom11743 Report Abuse The air in the major cities in China is filthy with pollution.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:3,133 Points:620,535 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:43:03 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse China has the resolve to move forward
Eichhornchen Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,726 Points:533,215 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:42:08 PM Ignore Eichhornchen Report Abuse In the other article it says that the US growth in gas usage was 0.6% while China's was 15% but this says they're leading the US in clean energy????
snewwee Champion Author Detroit Posts:4,979 Points:1,012,155 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:40:40 PM Ignore snewwee Report Abuse There the laws are mandated and enforced with authority and in a timely manner.
moody4u Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,978 Points:575,125 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:38:45 PM Ignore moody4u Report Abuse they dont care
flyfast Champion Author Kansas City Posts:4,508 Points:876,515 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:36:30 PM Ignore flyfast Report Abuse do not bet on it a lot of talk and that all ......
Jojavo All-Star Author London Posts:593 Points:121,465 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:32:24 PM Ignore Jojavo Report Abuse Any form that we can go green it will be great. It's now China's turn to go through Industrial Revolution. It would be wise for them to go through Green revolution...
coyoteAB Champion Author Alberta Posts:1,353 Points:110,200 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:32:19 PM Ignore coyoteAB Report Abuse What apile of SH&*%$,
TFowler513 Champion Author Memphis Posts:2,372 Points:587,685 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:29:26 PM Ignore TFowler513 Report Abuse Just another reason to quickly move to free alternative energy resources such as solar, wind and hydro!!!
Eichhornchen Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,726 Points:533,215 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:29:20 PM Ignore Eichhornchen Report Abuse B.S.
TheSnowstorm Champion Author Montreal Posts:4,448 Points:1,002,605 Joined:June 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:24:29 PM Ignore TheSnowstorm Report Abuse I agree with what you have posted, PissedCanuck! China and India are both nations to watch regarding pollution and how they are going to clean up their acts and over what time-frame.
carlsonguitars Champion Author Portland Posts:4,219 Points:698,250 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:19:52 PM Ignore carlsonguitars Report Abuse WHAT?!??!! China is one of the dirtiest nations on the planet!!!!
Dancin Champion Author Toronto Posts:4,215 Points:1,781,450 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:17:15 PM Ignore Dancin Report Abuse Which says absolutely nothing about the god awful pollution of their rivers.
PissedCanuck Champion Author Toronto Posts:3,818 Points:817,930 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:16:25 PM Ignore PissedCanuck Report Abuse It took America 150 years to grow dirty and then it took China 15 to grow dirty. This works in reverse as well. If America doesn't smarten up, it could take them 150 years to clean up its act and the Chinese could take 15 to clean up theirs or even better yet, America finds a way to clean up its act in 15 years and China finds an even better way to do it in 1 1/2 years. [Edited by: PissedCanuck at 7/5/2009 10:18:18 PM EST]
Voltus Champion Author Miami Posts:3,306 Points:652,055 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:10:21 PM Ignore Voltus Report Abuse I do not where they got that from... India and China are the least worried about clean energy...
MTPokts All-Star Author Indianapolis Posts:792 Points:247,630 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:09:07 PM Ignore MTPokts Report Abuse Why do they keep using that same stupid arguement about how America got to develop? Does this mean they won't use seatbelts or airbags in those cars for another 75 years? Shun fuel injection for ~80 years? Or use computers until 2100?
Tru2psu2 Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:6,743 Points:628,155 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:08:53 PM Ignore Tru2psu2 Report Abuse I have followed politics for almost 40 yrs. I consider myself an independent-I voted for Anderson and Perot, but when I look at how Republicans and Democrats typically vote, I find myself on the Republican side of the fence. Very few times have I agreed with the Democrats and usually the pork and overspending has come from that side. All things being considered, both parties-or any party will be at fault until we realize that the current system-with multiple terms possible and influence from outside sources will corrupt nearly any politician. Therefore, we need to 1). Vote everyone out in 2010, 2012 2). Initiate a state resolution to require all public servants limits on terms 3). Get rid of all outside influences-again thru the states 4). Get rid of federal pensions for politicians If we don't do these items, we will be asking ourselves the same questions in 2010, 2012, 2014,....
billy44bo Champion Author Mobile Posts:3,282 Points:620,155 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:06:04 PM Ignore billy44bo Report Abuse it a fast way to cut the number a people you have to feed down good for them
Tru2psu2 Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:6,743 Points:628,155 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:00:37 PM Ignore Tru2psu2 Report Abuse China won't do it. They have no regard for their people-remember 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese-so they are expendable. Also remember Tienanmen square-they will just rub out all protesters. China will let free enterprise grew as long as the political system is unaffected.
DellMan Champion Author Omaha Posts:1,917 Points:442,925 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:00:21 PM Ignore DellMan Report Abuse There are several flaws with the so called "Stimulus" plan. First there is the requirement of paying Union Wages, look what happened for GM and Chrysler after paying UAW wages. I want to know how building a rail system between Harry Reid’s home town and Disney World will stimulate the economy. Or how spending $1.5M on a tunnel to turtles can go under a highway stimulates the economy. You Liberals talk about all the Republican waste but fail to mention these pet projects which were thrown into this plan by the Democrats. I haven't met e Democrat yet who didn't want to raise taxes so they could afford a wasteful project in their hometown. Obama, Biden and crew insisted we needed this stimulus plan to prevent unemployment from reaching 8.5% and now look it is closing in on 10% and Biden comes out and says they misjudged how bad the economy was. What a bunch of hogwash. It wasn't as bad before they took office and started wasting all this money.
TXGasPriceSpy Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:2,676 Points:502,570 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:57:40 PM Ignore TXGasPriceSpy Report Abuse I think it will be a while before China cleans things up. In the mean time their funeral homes are as happy as they can be, business is great.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:5,957 Points:1,169,270 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:54:39 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse The smog in some of their inner cities is so bad not even a knife could cut it.
Buck_on_Bass Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,791 Points:597,930 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:54:25 PM Ignore Buck_on_Bass Report Abuse DEG is right. The Chinese government will fund the research and development and then let Chinese companies sell the technology globally. We need to develop our own technologies and beat the Chinese to market and to the patent office.
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:12,818 Points:2,546,230 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:49:19 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse There are some very sharp Chinese. I would not underestimate them. However, I think our government should be offering some "carrots" to industry to create green products that compete directly with the current products.
redcurls1 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,655 Points:1,881,600 Joined:Jan 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:46:29 PM Ignore redcurls1 Report Abuse China? Right. They only let the press see what they want us to see. Let's go back & see the video of their incursions against humanity, their people working 18 hour days for a fraction of what our unemployment pays, their toxic waste sites. My thought is I don't think hell is freezing over yet.
clement007 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,121 Points:876,400 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:44:22 PM Ignore clement007 Report Abuse America will clean the Chinese clock! They are choking to death over there you can not even see the sun in there big cities there is so much smog the Chinese need our technology to do anything.
OKRifle Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:4,865 Points:847,120 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:42:49 PM Ignore OKRifle Report Abuse sillywagon from New York...becareful, liberals are gunning for ya! Oh, but liberals are for gun control....I forgot! So, liberals are "drive-by slapping" at ya! And, to stay on discussion, you can buy your China clean energy at your local Wal-Mart! [Edited by: OKRifle at 7/5/2009 9:44:29 PM EST]
FuelBarge Champion Author Long Island Posts:4,154 Points:1,098,040 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:39:40 PM Ignore FuelBarge Report Abuse We may have been polluting for 150 years but that really was out of necessity because there was no clean energy. We have since made progress towards that goal and can basically spare China and other countries from having to reinvent the wheel. They can simply adopt the clean technologies we have invented.
able2ru Champion Author Little Rock Posts:1,324 Points:369,595 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:38:50 PM Ignore able2ru Report Abuse Somehow, I don't think america will have the answers to sell to the chinese. oil industry and bled the consumers dry. monopolies and other companies that file patents on things like the "Page Down/Page Up" keyboard keys. This country is too corrupt to solve problems.
RockCity Champion Author Denver Posts:2,717 Points:484,845 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:37:40 PM Ignore RockCity Report Abuse They have goofs over there just as we do over here.
cathevan Champion Author Manitoba Posts:2,133 Points:524,025 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:35:33 PM Ignore cathevan Report Abuse go for it
FranklinGasGuy Champion Author Nashville Posts:3,579 Points:704,285 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:32:08 PM Ignore FranklinGasGuy Report Abuse LOL so hard it hurts. Does he believe this stupidity?
pgriff1 Champion Author New Orleans Posts:4,022 Points:1,230,310 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:31:44 PM Ignore pgriff1 Report Abuse Look what they had to do to clean up the smog for the Olympics. I would have thought they would have taken the hint.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,800 Points:438,170 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:27:05 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse sillywagon from New York... Can you provide current citations for your comments? Much of the US belief about China's attempt at going green is dated information. "It’s (China) spending US$221.3 billion — about 38% of its US$586-billion stimulus package announced in November. A particular focus: water distribution and wastewater treatment infrastructure. In the past three months of 2008 alone, China spent an estimated US$17 billion in economic stimulus, 10% of it on energy-saving and ecological projects. “China has not only more funding,” says Kachan, “but it also has a six-month lead-time on spending this money.”
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:3,790 Points:1,328,575 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:26:46 PM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse China will probably clean our clock with clean energy. The US seems slow to change when it comes to energy resources
TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,470 Points:1,091,790 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:21:11 PM Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse That's why the Chinese have so many coal powered electric generation plants that their air pollution is terrible in many areas. The problem remains cost. Fossil fuels are still relatively cheap compared to the alternatives.
ssect8 Champion Author Hartford Posts:3,092 Points:1,221,375 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:20:15 PM Ignore ssect8 Report Abuse China doesn't have the UAW and Government Motors to build cars that no one wants.
rrsekhar Sophomore Author New Jersey Posts:114 Points:37,255 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:19:40 PM Ignore rrsekhar Report Abuse Forget about china, US doesnot do any thing, untill it has advantage
Fataugie Veteran Author Rochester Posts:438 Points:247,015 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:16:12 PM Ignore Fataugie Report Abuse I'll believe it when I see it
RobRD Champion Author Alberta Posts:3,828 Points:896,020 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:11:45 PM Ignore RobRD Report Abuse China has a ways to go to catch up but they have started.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:5,246 Points:527,495 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:05:39 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse This article is another reminder of why I have never bought a book by Thomas Friedman. China isn't pursuing solar and wind and other sources to be "green." In another article I read about China it was stated that China has domestic reserves of coal to last 41 years. They need as much energy as they can get. In twenty years they will have 700 million cars, and Chinese want to live a prosperous middle class lifestyle that requires energy. China is not going to be able to get it from coal, so where is China going to get this energy from?
OilBGone Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,938 Points:749,420 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:00:26 PM Ignore OilBGone Report Abuse Given the environmental destruction these people seem to be engaging in over there in China, I'm not sure there will be anybody left to sell anything to, unless toxic corpses are in a buying mood. Geez, they burn plastics and strip out toxic metals from our PCs and other crap that we ship over there, and throw the parts that aren't worth anything in their rivers. They also live in landfills.
rjoeh Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,790 Points:1,582,765 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:57:28 PM Ignore rjoeh Report Abuse Its been said they can do everything we do... and cheaper, because they have a workforse that is hungry for any job they can get.
PokerAce Champion Author Baton Rouge Posts:4,867 Points:943,330 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:56:57 PM Ignore PokerAce Report Abuse You would think they would learn from ours, and others, mistakes and use that to their advantage instead of taking the "cop out" attitude .... they might see the light when they can't see the sun anymore because of the pollution ....
misterray Champion Author Oregon Posts:2,132 Points:525,040 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:56:53 PM Ignore misterray Report Abuse Global warming is not a myth. Neither is being delusional.
OKRifle Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:4,865 Points:847,120 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:56:00 PM Ignore OKRifle Report Abuse China is poised to do many things...including "clean energy"! If only we could send Nancey Pelosi,(D-CA), Henry Waxman (Another D-CA) and our Congress over there to screw things up!
SpruceGuse2 Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,883 Points:1,490,740 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:55:01 PM Ignore SpruceGuse2 Report Abuse They have a larger population to create new clean energy, plus all of our scientists have gone over there to work.
ChuckGVT Champion Author Vermont Posts:2,106 Points:733,495 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:49:34 PM Ignore ChuckGVT Report Abuse Screw China. Global warming is a myth.
KerryDeland Champion Author Florida Posts:2,329 Points:455,165 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:46:11 PM Ignore KerryDeland Report Abuse Another example of a wrong decision made by the USA,
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:2,490 Points:581,175 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:36:09 PM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse China has higher fuel economy requirements than the United States.
CatMan623 Champion Author Houston Posts:8,585 Points:1,380,850 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:26:44 PM Ignore CatMan623 Report Abuse So, how much are you willing to pay to lead? Research is not free. Reconfiguring the infrastructure is not free.